tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post1620297706446203926..comments2024-03-01T02:57:28.885-08:00Comments on Glorious Little Soldiers: Limitations....Big Andyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-59283218657295632292013-06-24T09:45:29.152-07:002013-06-24T09:45:29.152-07:00 Ben I tend to agree but it depends as always upon... Ben I tend to agree but it depends as always upon what you want to achieve.AND more importantly do you have the knowledge and expertise to achieve it. and of course do you suffer from that wargamers malady CBA Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-25996366966865843982013-06-24T07:52:48.828-07:002013-06-24T07:52:48.828-07:00Writing your own rules is easy. First line - Regul...Writing your own rules is easy. First line - Regular infantry in line move 6"...Benjamin of Wighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03638987247523360801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-18512786898890043272013-06-23T02:43:10.869-07:002013-06-23T02:43:10.869-07:00Well there are some replies to get your teeth into... Well there are some replies to get your teeth into. As I re-read what I wrote I'm amazed at my ligustic forebearance, I think that a point I should have underlined a little more is that we are doing this to ourselves. I can't blame the education system as a Grammar school kid with - like Robbie some good teachers and a Library which I also exhausted. Its not simply a generational thing. Within our hobby "knowing stuff makes you an anorak nerd" is now quite common which is a relativly new phenomenon . I'm sure that when we started we respected the knowledge of chaps like Grant and Gilder or Historians like Knight or Hofschouer or others and went to significant lengths to increase our own store of such knowledge in our chosen periods .<br /> This is often no longer the case " Got my Soldiers, got my Osprey Got my Army lists I'm ready to go " (which FYI is a direct quote from a customer at a show) is now- more inevidence than ever- even if the brand names change by fashion-. Now there are those of us who keep the flame alive and try to make sure that this hobby does not become "mere gaming" thank God and there are problems- see Mike Siggins column and remarks regarding "entry level " in the latest MW . I don't think there are any solotions here - as I keep saying I merely observe and sometime poke with a sharp stick to see what happens.<br /> Oh Yes- Lazy Gits - been around since that chap didn't want to chase the mammoth... .<br />Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-57884982297354673562013-06-22T20:36:22.898-07:002013-06-22T20:36:22.898-07:00Lazy gits came first, they actually seem to pre-da...Lazy gits came first, they actually seem to pre-date wargaming (see piano roll, load it in and look like you're playing). Ross Mac rmacfa@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04053555991679802013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-35796144787739424772013-06-22T10:36:42.881-07:002013-06-22T10:36:42.881-07:00Evening Andy,
Some interesting points again, it mu...Evening Andy,<br />Some interesting points again, it must be the air up on the hill.<br />When I was setting out on the wargame trail I used to dream of having a a set up like Charles Grant, I loved the table and loved the look of his games in the Wargame. My favourite however,was always Peter Gilder, it was just the look of his games.<br /> I never viewed them as an elite, just inaccessible, a bit like me watching Bruce Springsteen perform, I would love to meet him for a chat, but its never going to happen. <br /> Clearly there was a sort of elite, but they were more collectors of figures,and tended to look down on all wargamers, what I would have given for a Desfontaines painted figure. I understand Peter Young had some, but he was obviously well off enough to be able to buy some.<br /> Moving on to now.The elite that are kicking about tend to be ex Games Workshop, based near or in Nottingham and seem to have a bit of an incestuous relationship with each other.<br /> Clearly Games Workshop trained people well in the ideals of commercialism, and I cant really fault their products. My real concern is that new and would be wargamers will think that everything is based around their products. 28mm is not THE scale, each period lends itself to different scales, plus their ranges are getting very expensive, [and yes I know there are lots of overheads.]<br />Not every company can have regular big advertisements in the magazines. I am impressed by their rule books, but the price! God you could buy a really nice reference book for that.<br />Moving on to skirmish games etc. Unfortunately its becoming pretty obvious that education nowadays is pretty superficial.<br /> What with all these A stars and degrees etc one would think that we had given birth to a nation of super intelligentsia. The reality seems to be that passing the exams is the most important thing and damn everything else.<br /> I wasted my education, and realise that I was a complete knob, but boy did I love history, and what a great history master I had. I was encouraged to read around the subject, and get different views from different sources.When I got into wargaming I exhausted my library [ now closed] of books, but tried my damnedest to understand the whys and wherefores of whatever period I was interested in.<br /> Young people have no depth of knowledge, and sadly dont feel there is a need to have one either, which doesn't bode well for the future, because through ignorance they will make the same mistakes again, ie Communism, Socialism and Fascism.<br /> If history provides one thing it is the ability to show where the human race has made mistakes and allows us not to make them again. [In theory] <br /> Kids now will just reach for wikipedia, they might as well pick up the Daily Star for what it is worth.<br />I dont think its totally laziness, just that they havent been shown or encouraged to think for themselves. They all seem so apathetic and boring. Never mind bored.<br /> Anyway, great post and sorry about my rant. <br />Thanks Robbie. <br /> Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-71248139132717114412013-06-22T08:19:08.659-07:002013-06-22T08:19:08.659-07:00Symptomatic of the 21st Century as a whole..... ...Symptomatic of the 21st Century as a whole..... the youngsters are handed it on plates, research is not taught, everything is instant, they never have time to pause and think, they are living MTV lives (new experience every 3 minutes or they get bored).... sum total?? their imaginations are atrophying... :o(Steve-the-Wargamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07077311120172727690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-41132327007928477522013-06-22T03:03:27.804-07:002013-06-22T03:03:27.804-07:00Wow - what a lot of sense you are talking between ...Wow - what a lot of sense you are talking between the crude language. Remember the elite in the 60s and 70s were the rich old farts then and we were just young chaps making do,as you've said.Not sure what it is that has made the modern wargaming elite, as they are not all particularly old, and I assume it's just that they have good salaries or pensions and prepared to devote a lot of it to their hobby. I'm not counting the (I suspect) relatively few who have made a lot of money out of models/rules etc. Good topic for debate but with less colourful language :-). Well done for such an interesting observation.<br />Chris<br />http://notjustoldschool.blogspot.co.uk/Chris Gregghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03585623032053255569noreply@blogger.com