tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post4604065092242315849..comments2024-03-01T02:57:28.885-08:00Comments on Glorious Little Soldiers: The Journey or the Destination??Big Andyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-27698086123261428752014-06-18T02:56:26.295-07:002014-06-18T02:56:26.295-07:00Henry- Apologies if I misunderstood and its good ...Henry- Apologies if I misunderstood and its good to know we are more or less on the same chapter- if not the same page.<br /> Ahistorical tactics are of course brought about by 2 distinct threads<br /> 1/. Bad rules writing - allied to the idea of "Rules as holy writ" <br />2/ "games players" not wanting to know their stuff- "don't want any history in my wargames magaziines" and of course the competitive element those must win chaps who really give me a a pain..<br /> and no of course you can't- and wouldn't weant to set up "Games Poloce" but I wonder if we don't already have them in the idea that knowing your stuff makes you some kind of games untermenschen. <br />Those catch all rules systems desinged so that Marlburian is the same as Frederician is the same as AWI is the same as Napoleonic seem to be more popular than ever ....<br /> Poser ain't it ? Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-87797762999722239312014-06-17T13:16:07.477-07:002014-06-17T13:16:07.477-07:00Andy – it would appear that you misunderstood what...Andy – it would appear that you misunderstood what I said. For me personally, and especially as a history graduate, it certainly is NOT "all about the game"! What I thought I said was that at times, it's best to introduce players to the history by stealth, rather than smacking them over the head with it and potentially putting them off having a go at a new period or, if they are new to historical gaming, any historical period at all.<br /><br />You can bet your life that the rules in my Compendium are based on 40+ (God, am I that old?) years of reading about the horse and musket period, and the 18th century in particular. The rules are preceded by a general overview of the period and the correct tactics to employ too. I am *passionate* about the history, and I cringe when I see ahistorical tactics being employed on the tabletop.<br /><br />But the question is, how do we educate players to employ more realistic tactics? I hope that my rules reward doing things the right way, and penalise players who don't, but you can't set up a 'games police' to prevent people doing whatever they want, of course. But to me, if I'm playing a Marlburian or Frederican game, I don't want it to look like a Napoleonic one.<br /><br />So the game is, in fact, Andy, the tip of my iceberg too!Henry Hydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09681777678760244540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-9266978884691858582014-06-08T03:08:31.229-07:002014-06-08T03:08:31.229-07:00Chaps- exactly .
Had an interesting chat with He... Chaps- exactly .<br /> Had an interesting chat with Henry Hyde at Partizan - for him it seems its all about the game. Now I just don't get that . the game is only the very tip of the iceberg as you say Dave its the "reality" of our historical games. but as you say it would be deadly dull if we were all alike. <br /> As for GW- they still have HUGE following and a publishing arm that moves as much fantasy and sci-fi books as any opther- the fact that they are dull turgid pretentiuos shyte is of course beside the point.<br /> so GW story to make you cringe<br /> My Step Granson his a GW nut- utterly obcessed so he gets some kind of deal whereby if he spends 60 quid(and he got a bundle of gear) then he is give this"special" computer code which gives him access to a page which allows himto buy the above mentione single figure for18 quid - with me so far ?<br /> Now hes doesn't want this as its a"Good Guy" sop he sells the code on ebay for 15quid- going rate it seems - several have done this. Now remebr the purchaser HAS NOT bought the figure merely the code so when all is done and dusted this single 35mm tall human type plastic/resin figue is going to cost him AT LEAST 33 quid. plus any postage <br /> The point here is that this stuff sells, in quantity the more nauseating the better apparently <br /><br />Sad Sad world Sad Sad peole Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-27304091026320808692014-06-07T11:09:25.011-07:002014-06-07T11:09:25.011-07:00Bottom line is that I prefer winning a game to los...Bottom line is that I prefer winning a game to losing one, no one goes out to lose one. However don't I go home bubbling afterwards - no way, I go to friends, club etc to have a crack and play a game, or when with the TWATS its have a crack, drink beer, have more crack drink more beer and maybe fit a game in! The company makes all the difference to any hobby.<br />Science fiction/Fantasy just doesn't do it for me, I've tried it - really, but it isn't, well, REAL, you know what I mean. there's no fact behind it, nothing you can research. Oh I forgot you could watch another episode of Star Wars/Trek/Trooper or whatever and see how far Jim's phaser weapon reaches (watch out Uhura).<br />Historical gaming is based on reality, or as close as we can get without throwing bangers at each other while chucking dice (now there's an idea), for me the research and painting of the figures is way more important than the actual game and certainly more important than winning or loosing.<br />The end,<br />Dave.Dave Huntley (sheepman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14728830987896678578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-84540823854303410182014-06-07T09:02:03.157-07:002014-06-07T09:02:03.157-07:00Afternoon Andy,
You can tell youre between shows a...Afternoon Andy,<br />You can tell youre between shows as to speak.<br /> Anyway, I dont mind losing. I still naively believe its the playing thats important. I have been called a fool before, well many times actually, but a liar. Only my wife has that concession.<br /> I really dont like playing against or with a wargamer who is wound up if things go well or go badly. I also find that such people are like this in everything they do. I have worked with people unfortunately that took every set back as a very personal thing and also were looking to take offence at every quip etc.<br /> It does take all sorts and I suppose things would be very boring if we all were the same.<br /> My love of history led to my love of wargaming, which in turn fed my love of history.<br /> I think this contempt of knowing where we came from and how our country was made is a modern concept.<br /> When Blair cam to power, the Foreign office was directed to take down all its paintings of historical events. To truimphal perhaps, or maybe the new masters were embarassed by the sucess that we had once known.<br /> But until mankind stops making the same mistakes over and over again, then history will always be important.<br /> How can one understand how an army fought if the wargamer doesnt at least read one book on the subject.<br /> I agree with your view about fantasy not being the same as wargaming. But thats been an arguement ever since fantasy came on the scene so to speak.<br /> I do have an imagination, but I have always struggled to push it to the limit where I could seriously play [is that possible?] a fantasy game.<br /> The one hope is that a fantasy wargamer will make the step over into historical wargaming as they become disatisfied with the sheer tedium of the slogfest that is Games Workshop.<br /> Funnily enough John and I were discussing Games Workshop the other night, and we both think the company will go tits up unless it re thinks its new marketting and pricing strategy. But I digress. <br /> So for me at least, I would be a good loser, but be a better winner, and most importantly study history.<br />Good Post.<br />Thanks Andy.<br /> Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.com