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Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-3797960266594527722018-07-12T00:16:41.885-07:002018-07-12T00:16:41.885-07:00That was my view of the 19th century rules - they ...That was my view of the 19th century rules - they came from the history, rather than attempting to slot the history into a pre-ordained 'mechanism'. Jeffershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07319010033525561907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-79355827984838114492018-07-11T07:53:09.704-07:002018-07-11T07:53:09.704-07:00Hmm Yes I see your point and agree but the old r...Hmm Yes I see your point and agree but the old rules were mostly designed as inroductions and these days there are 2 distinct schools of thought- maybe more. The "Realistic" and the "its a game" . Now in my view the "Its a Game" is very much in the ascendant and is obcessed with "mechanisms" and at least part of that is because the "realistic" could not decide which type of realism it wanted. One of the resons I have gone back to "retro" style for some periods is because it gives me open ended figure based games that I can put in extra "realism" at need rather than be slaved to a the diktats of any given set of rules. This also why I prefer Umpire run games rather than "head to head lead" . The badly written technical manuals are a result I think of not being able to smother the baser urges of the competitivly minded games player. I perhaps should have mentioned the tedium of trying to read FOG and FOGR - I actually found WRG simple by comparison Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-15172240781720721032018-07-11T06:27:25.746-07:002018-07-11T06:27:25.746-07:00I've been delving into old and new Ancients ru...I've been delving into old and new Ancients rules recently and your post certainly strikes a chord. I do occasionally find a rule set interesting to read, usually for the reasons others have already mentioned, and I find this is often a guide to rules I will enjoy using. If a rule set actually reads fairly well it is probably fairly simple and logical, and the author may well be on the same hymn sheet as me. But as you say, normally it's like reading a technical manual, and often a rather badly worded technical manual. Perhaps there's a market for something a bit more like the old wargaming books we all love... Keith Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12903769462646267048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-7972358619483960892018-07-10T00:58:23.723-07:002018-07-10T00:58:23.723-07:00Exactly Now as I have said Neil's rules are no...Exactly Now as I have said Neil's rules are not on the whole for me BUT he knows his stuff. So if you like his gaming style. Mind you never seen a rule set yet that I "couldn't wait to play" as with me the History ALWAYS comes first and game arise from the history rather than the other way round Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-67017668990401826552018-07-09T15:47:50.724-07:002018-07-09T15:47:50.724-07:00Not sure if rules can be interesting in themselves...Not sure if rules can be interesting in themselves, but if background or design notes are included then it takes them to another level. A good example is Neil Thomas' 19th century book. The rules themselves are pretty simple, but what makes you appreciate the intelligence behind them is the history and design notes. Couple that with the army lists and scenarios, it's one of the few rule sets that I couldn't wait to play (they don't disappoint either). Not only that, it introduced me to other wars I never thought I'd be interested in, which is why I now have 1866 Austrians when I bought it for Franco Prussian.<br />Compare that to Black Powder and you find all the verbosity is actually about the rules: pointless waffle that disguises the fact that the only differential between 1776 and 1870 is the weapon ranges. Not interesting, just annoying!Jeffershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07319010033525561907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-63828408397336937402018-07-08T01:48:03.683-07:002018-07-08T01:48:03.683-07:00Never had any joy out of Newbury myself. were the ...Never had any joy out of Newbury myself. were the difficult to read because they were over complex? Or difficult to read because they were badly written? <br /> Complexity of itself is not always a bad thing- Command Decision are a bit complex in parts- but then most of the time you don't need the rules about minefields and Air support or field engineering. <br /> Stripping out the competition element from rules(though not always from the game) would be a decent start BUT if there is competition there WILL be cheating- much complexity needed to be added to WRG for example to stop the kind of rules lawyering that most of us despise <br />Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-73722262162306228042018-07-07T03:55:05.351-07:002018-07-07T03:55:05.351-07:00An interesting read Andy! I know that you are not ...An interesting read Andy! I know that you are not discussing the relative complexity of various rulesets here, but reading this post reminded me of my experience many years ago with two sets of ACW rules, being the Newbury set and the original Fire & Fury set. The Newbury set was most definitely NOT an interesting read, but it was a major challenge, I even took the damn things on a weeks holiday on the Norfolk Broads and spent hours poring over them but arrived home non the wiser. The along came F&F, the original 'brigade' set and they changed everything for me, I can honestly say that they were interesting in themselves because the mechanics of the rules were totally new and innovative and yet simple, I even used to take them to work to read during my lunch hour! <br /><br />I don't really read rule sets these days either.'Lee.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02728400013024811279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-46483523137974513132018-07-07T02:20:37.260-07:002018-07-07T02:20:37.260-07:00It has to be daid I'm not a great rules reader...It has to be daid I'm not a great rules reader either. I always found it a bit of a chore. As all the games I either run or play in are now Umpire controlled it is no longer needed so they can't get in the way of the period or the actual game <br />Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-52059619778737369422018-07-06T08:27:28.113-07:002018-07-06T08:27:28.113-07:00For me, a set of rules can be interesting IF the a...For me, a set of rules can be interesting <b>IF</b> the author is presenting some new, original ideas on how to go about things in a simple, quick, yet effective way <b> AND </b> explains the thinking behind the rules, how they reflect his/her view of the history and so on.(Preferable in design notes)<br /><br />I don't read many rule sets these days.Ross Mac rmacfa@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04053555991679802013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-90479314763168308982018-07-06T04:39:35.940-07:002018-07-06T04:39:35.940-07:00Hi DC- see your point there- the designers notes a...Hi DC- see your point there- the designers notes are often the most interesting bit though I did not find that to be true of Pikemans Lament but in the case of "Black Powder" the notes were far more use than the rukes <br />Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6780195401099519720.post-12195642166779497242018-07-06T02:41:41.769-07:002018-07-06T02:41:41.769-07:00Hi Big Andy,
I tend to find reading the designers...Hi Big Andy,<br /><br />I tend to find reading the designers notes and understanding the whys and wherefores of their rules is usually an interesting experience - especially if it dovetails with my own perception of what the rules are trying to represent.<br /><br />Thought provoking post old chap!<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />DCDavid Crookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02497436789811496047noreply@blogger.com